| 'Blade
2 R1' DD vs DTS |
| Bjoern Roy , September
11th, 2002 |
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Our contenders for today are the DD and DTS soundtracks on the
R1 DVD of the blood sucking vampire sequel 'Blade 2'.
When the 'Blade 2' DVD was released, a controversy arose in the
HT community. Some fellow enthusiasts reported that the DD track
on this particular DVD appeared to have quite a bit more
bass response than the corresponding DTS track throughout the whole
movie. The difference was said to be the most appreciable in the
Rave Party Sequence.
It was assumed that the difference pertains mostly the LFE channel
and that it might be souped up around 3-4db overall on the DD track,
similar to the mastering 'error' that occured on the U-571 DVD from
Universal, where the LFE channel of the DTS track is a full 4db
louder than the DD counterpart.
Yet, others reported the 2 tracks to basically have the same
frequency response. Controveries like this are the very reason for
this part of my website. A graph can say more than a thousand
words.
What i found out:
- The DD track does not have more bass response in generell.
- Only in one scene, out of around 10 i measured (basically
every bass loaded scene in the movie), was there a difference
between the 2 tracks that goes beyond the typical characteristics
of the DD and DTS codecs and the used bitrates. This scene is
the aforementioned Rave Party Sequence.
- The difference in that particular scene was not in the
LFE channel, but in the main channels (most likely also in the
center, didn't measure that).
- DialNorm on the DD track is 0dB, so that the explanation for
the differences some people heared might be the DialNorm Compensation
feature in many receivers. See conclusion below.
Lets have a look at the graphs now. Look at the main
page for an explanation how these are obtained.
Note: 0db on the vertical scale of the graphs indicates 115db
SPL, which is only achievable by the Lfe channel; all non-lfe channels
max out at 105db, thus -10db on the scale.
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| Graph No.1,
'Opening Fight' |

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Description:
- Opening Fight (first appearance of Blade)
- DD 448kBit/s vs. DTS 768kBit/s
- DialNorm 0db !!!
- upper window is the right channel, lower window is the
lfe channel
- red is DD, turquoise is DTS
- lfe data above 120hz is irrelevant!!!
Analysis:
- Basically identical apart from the 2 typical characteristics
of the DTS encoder at 768kbps: Frequency response drop above 15kHz
and -3dB @ 90hz. Interesting that the frequency drop above 15kHz
is not the typical 10db, but only 3db and in later graphs
below even almost none. Reasonable to assume that MiCasa didn't
use the normal CAE-4 encoder, but something else, maybe a software
based encoder.
- I suspect the little difference in response of 2-3db @ 8hz is
measuring error or a glitch in the matrix ;O) The graphs are just
too identical to assume any difference in the mix
here.
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Description:
- Rave Party
- DD 448kBit/s vs. DTS 768kBit/s
- DialNorm 0db !!!
- upper window is the right channel, lower window is the
lfe channel
- red is DD, turquoise is DTS
- lfe data above 120hz is irrelevant!!!
Analysis:
- This is the only scene i have measured that had any
difference in bass response that can not be attributed to the
encoder characteristics. Bass below 18hz is filtered with around
15db per octave on the DTS track. For what reason? Beats me!
- -3db @ 90hz and -3db above 15kHz as usual
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Description:
- Mega Bomb (in sewers)
- DD 448kBit/s vs. DTS 768kBit/s
- DialNorm 0db !!!
- upper window is the right channel, lower window is the
lfe channel
- red is DD, turquoise is DTS
- lfe data above 120hz is irrelevant!!!
Analysis:
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Description:
- End Fight
- DD 448kBit/s vs. DTS 768kBit/s
- DialNorm 0db !!!
- upper window is the right channel, lower window is the
lfe channel
- red is DD, turquoise is DTS
- lfe data above 120hz is irrelevant!!!
Analysis:
- Here the only interesting thing is that it appears that they
transfered around 2db of response below 10hz from the Main channels
to the LFE. Irrelevant oddity at best.
- Boring otherwise.
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| Conclusion and
final thoughts |
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So, the only real difference was in the Rave Party Sequence.
But actually in the mains, and not in the LFE, as suspected.
But why then did some people hear a strong difference throughout
the whole movie?
My guess: 'DialNom Compensation'
I will not discuss here what DialNorm does in general, most reading
this will most likely know. The DialNorm Compensation that
is build into receivers of several brands, adds 4db to all Dolby
tracks in order to compensate for the common 4db difference
in volume between DD and DTS tracks. This works on most tracks,
since DialNorm is '-4db' in most cases, so the compensation
levels the playfield again. But when a track is recorded with a
DialNorm of '0db' (which is rather rarely the case) the DD track
ends up being 4db to loud, because the compensation wasn't
needed, but is added anyway.
A soundtrack being 4db louder as the counterpart, will first and
foremost impress with a stronger fuller bass response, although
in reality the difference is throughout the whole frequency response.
Adding these 4db overall panalty and the filtered bass response
of the main channels in the Rave Party scene, the DTS track
sure would sound 'weak' bass wise in that scene particularily.
Since i basically measured every bass heavy scene in the movie
and only found this one scene to differ, i would consider this to
be a non-issue. The Rave Party scene sounds not all that
different and is basically just as immersive on the DTS track if
playback levels are matched properly. Actually, the bass response
of the LFE channel is so much stronger below 20hz anyway,
that it should dominate the bass energy that is played through the
main channels or that is routed to the bass.
So 'Party On' folks and listen to whatever soundtrack you prefer.
Best regards
Bjoern Roy
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